[S3m8a] Safrane 3Lv6 24 2001, BVM + SusPil

[S3m8a]

Hello,
greetings from Czech.

My name is Jiri (32years) and I am from Czech Republic.

We bought in the past, already couple of years ago one Safrane, which might be maybe also known here. It is ph2 V6 champagne color, which was converted into BVM and equipped by suspensiion pilotee. Additionally body kit from BiTurbo. Actually driven on 18" pleiades wheels from Vel Satis ph2 redesigned into semi-matt shade.

Beside this car, I own also 3x Avantime with V6 (Noir Nocturne, Vert Taiga and Illiade Bleu) and BVM, Laguna 2008 2,0T initiale Paris additionally equipped by Rlink from ph3 and 2x Renault Master (2,5dci and 2,3dci).

I have joined the forum to get to the community also, since I am now looking to buy one Biturbo for the restoration.
Looking forward to get in touch.
Greetings,
Jiri

[tdd]

Hello Jiri and welcome with all your vehicles

For information, there is also a specific biturbo forum:
https://safrane-biturbo.1fr1.net/

[jpdubuc]

Désolé, mais je vais écrire en français.

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Bienvenue sur le Forum.

Ton compte est dorénavant activé, tu peux poster tes questions sur des nouveaux sujets et faire des recherches sur le forum.

Dis nous en plus ta Safrane, sur ses modifications, avec des photos, ...

Celle qui est transformée en BVM (quel modèle de BVM) c'est celle avec le 3L V6 24S ?
Elle a été vendue en BVM ? Il me semblait qu'elle n'avait été vendue qu'avec une BVA.
Et il me semble, qu'en France il n'est pas autorisé d'installer une BVM sur une voiture vendue uniquement avec une BVA ?

Si tu veux présenter d'autre Safrane, ouvres un autre sujet, ce sera plus simple pour les discussions.

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Tu peux regarder ce tuto photos en interne au Forum (pour info.) :

• Tuto photos en interne.

[tdd]

oui, elle a été vendu uniquement en BVM mais il y a eu quelques transformations en BVM, non homologuées du coup pour la route en France.
A voir ce que cela signifie dans le cas d'une voiture importée en Tchécoslovaquie et l'importance que cela a ...

[S3m8a]

Désolé, mais je vais écrire en français.

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Bienvenue sur le Forum.

Ton compte est dorénavant activé, tu peux poster tes questions sur des nouveaux sujets et faire des recherches sur le forum.

Dis nous en plus ta Safrane, sur ses modifications, avec des photos, ...

Celle qui est transformée en BVM (quel modèle de BVM) c'est celle avec le 3L V6 24S ?
Elle a été vendue en BVM ? Il me semblait qu'elle n'avait été vendue qu'avec une BVA.
Et il me semble, qu'en France il n'est pas autorisé d'installer une BVM sur une voiture vendue uniquement avec une BVA ?

Si tu veux présenter d'autre Safrane, ouvres un autre sujet, ce sera plus simple pour les discussions.

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Tu peux regarder ce tuto photos en interne au Forum (pour info.) :

• Tuto photos en interne.

Thank you for welcoming and activation, also no problem with French (some i can understand and for the rest we have a translator )

Yes, it is V6 24s ph2 and was originally only with BVA. The friend of mine who was in the safrane community around the Europe did the rebuild when he was the owner. There is the gearbox with 5 speed (also 6speed PK6 from Avantime v6 or Clio V6 shoudl fit). Clutch mechanism and other things (if i remember correctly) from Laguna with L7X BVM. The air suspension is completely fitted according to ph1 wiring diagrams and functional. Rear seats with electrical setting are also from ph1. Biturbo bodykit is complete also at the moment i have just the photos bellow in the computer but the photos from rebuild I do not have because this big job was not done by me, I am just trying to keep it rolling

In CZ, you need to write the specification with an approval of insititue if you are willing to change some. If you want to do the rebuild on items which are marked in the papers, you need to go to approved MOT station and they need to confirm that rebuild is done correctly. But for these special things to get into papers, easiest way is through Poland as far as I know (my friends are usually doing the first registration in EU for USA veteran cars there, then is easier to register them in CZ).

When I will get another Safrane, I will start the new thread as you wrote.

Photos I have:



















Greetings
Jiri

[S3m8a]

oui, elle a été vendu uniquement en BVM mais il y a eu quelques transformations en BVM, non homologuées du coup pour la route en France.
A voir ce que cela signifie dans le cas d'une voiture importée en Tchécoslovaquie et l'importance que cela a ...

Thank you, about Biturbo forum i know - there i will "go also" but when i will finally get one

regarding the registration in France - I believe that once it was registred in complience with EU, it might be possible to get the registration also in France, but not sure exactly (I think there was some requested age of the car - think above 20?) - I remember something like this was once discussed on Avantime forums.

Nevertheless also I am familiar with some of the restrictions for some "important parts" reproduction and use them on cars (on Avantime usual struggle is with springs on suspension = ressorts, rear lights, here probably for example indicators ph1 - clignotant). But as far as I know it is not so strict as in Germany where everything needs to have their "zulassung". In CZ i.e. is not a problem to install INOX Exhaust without homologation (as your build), but needs to be "normally looking with normal sound" - meaning not just a straight pipe with lots of noise but also mufflers needs to be as it would be on original car. BVA > BVM conversion can be done also with the official papers, but takes time and money of course.

Greetings
Jiri

[tdd]

The problem in France is that this engine associated with this BVM has never been marketed by Renault.
--> No official approval

and therefore impossible to circulate legally with it, without making a private approval with the DRIRE (organization managing this in France)
very expensive and very unlikely

[Palmedor]

The problem in France is that this engine associated with this BVM has never been marketed by Renault.
--> No official approval

and therefore impossible to circulate legally with it, without making a private approval with the DRIRE (organization managing this in France)
very expensive and very unlikely

Yes i confirm, very unlikely unless you wanna spent way too much money and time on it.

For approvation by french Drire, all change has to be made by a professional (nothing on your own) and every modified part should be brand new with certificate that is compliant to EU regulation, or approved by the original manufacturer of the Car.

Just to switch from automatic to manual, a drire approval would cost between 30,000 to 50,000euros and would take up to 2 years.
For a car that would worth not much than 5000euros.


And if you try to import your legally modified car in france, you must go through Drire Approval, they would probably ask to get back to automatic and classic suspension unless you want to spend 10 time the price of the car and 2 years.

[jpdubuc]

Elle est vraiment superbe : le mieux des Phase-1 et des Phase-2.
Et sûrement la seule au monde à avoir ce résultat.

La notion échappement inox est possible en France, mais il faut respecter le bruit max. Certains spécialistes savent les réaliser conformes.

[fkp 94]

Il serait presque plus simple de swapper l'ensemble sur une ph1 equipée de suspils. coté legalisation ca serait plus simple. ne resterait que la partie bvm à legaliser, on passe en RTI car le modele n'a jamais existé. ca coute peu cher à faire à la DREAL (la drire n'existe plus depuis quelques temps), par contre obtenir les documents constructeurs c'est autre chose.

[Polo21]

De toutes façons, je pense que notre ami s’en fiche puisqu’il n’a pas prévu de l’importer ici bas.

Awesome work done on this car !!
Was the previous owner Robert, from CarplastX ?
Seems to me that I’ve seen this car on BT forum, rebuilt after a crash with a v6 170 with the same color and BT equipments

[S3m8a]

The problem in France is that this engine associated with this BVM has never been marketed by Renault.
--> No official approval

and therefore impossible to circulate legally with it, without making a private approval with the DRIRE (organization managing this in France)
very expensive and very unlikely

The problem in France is that this engine associated with this BVM has never been marketed by Renault.
--> No official approval

and therefore impossible to circulate legally with it, without making a private approval with the DRIRE (organization managing this in France)
very expensive and very unlikely

Yes i confirm, very unlikely unless you wanna spent way too much money and time on it.

For approvation by french Drire, all change has to be made by a professional (nothing on your own) and every modified part should be brand new with certificate that is compliant to EU regulation, or approved by the original manufacturer of the Car.

Just to switch from automatic to manual, a drire approval would cost between 30,000 to 50,000euros and would take up to 2 years.
For a car that would worth not much than 5000euros.


And if you try to import your legally modified car in france, you must go through Drire Approval, they would probably ask to get back to automatic and classic suspension unless you want to spend 10 time the price of the car and 2 years.

From this perspective, i am really happy, that I live in CZ, at least some good bureaucracy is better than elsewhere Although it is not so easy, still is possible for some "normal" money.

[S3m8a]

Elle est vraiment superbe : le mieux des Phase-1 et des Phase-2.
Et sûrement la seule au monde à avoir ce résultat.

La notion échappement inox est possible en France, mais il faut respecter le bruit max. Certains spécialistes savent les réaliser conformes.

Thank you. It is as you said - best from each

For the INOX exhaust usually those experienced manufacturers do not have any issues. I know a lot of Avantimes from the community driving either FOX (homologated at least in DE) and MIJ Exhaust (not homologated) and they never facaed any issues as far as I know. At least this is possible when there is no chance to buy original for another 20 years

[S3m8a]

Il serait presque plus simple de swapper l'ensemble sur une ph1 equipée de suspils. coté legalisation ca serait plus simple. ne resterait que la partie bvm à legaliser, on passe en RTI car le modele n'a jamais existé. ca coute peu cher à faire à la DREAL (la drire n'existe plus depuis quelques temps), par contre obtenir les documents constructeurs c'est autre chose.

Think this was built this way especially because of the engine and the starting condition of the car (really low milage, nice condition, etc.). Anyhow you are right - would be easier to replace the front end only

[S3m8a]

De toutes façons, je pense que notre ami s’en fiche puisqu’il n’a pas prévu de l’importer ici bas.

Awesome work done on this car !!
Was the previous owner Robert, from CarplastX ?
Seems to me that I’ve seen this car on BT forum, rebuilt after a crash with a v6 170 with the same color and BT equipments

Well. Never say never but the plan to export the car is not actuall for sure

Thank you. We did the minor part - to keep the car alive - the most of work was done exactly by Robert from CarplastiX. Couple years ago when he was starting with carplastix and getting more involved with Biturbos, he sold the car to another person for cca one year. The guy fucked up some repairs and details and then was selling the car again so finally it went to our hand. With a big help of Robert and with the big help of Biturbo club parts was possible to keep at least the current condition whcih - I would say - was not always easy.

On one hand it is not original state, on the other, it is unique by it's own way

[jpdubuc]